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Post by Dane B on Jul 18, 2023 11:32:18 GMT
Trying to get Henderson on loan now. Looks like we have some issues around FFP. And where is the sponsor? Piss poor we still haven't got one. Idiots. I've heard we have issuues re FFP, too Ben. We put off signing Wood in Jan due to FFP, choosing instead to sign him in this window. It was bound to happen after spending upwards of £150m last season.
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Post by bryan on Jul 21, 2023 14:44:56 GMT
Interesting, sources saying we have a 26 yr old ex Chelsea youth joining on a free Ola Aina having a medical tonight. Further to that Elanga is signing for £15m and discussions still ongoing regarding Henderson.
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Post by brummiered on Jul 21, 2023 17:47:07 GMT
Yeah I've seen both of those links.
I know people are frustrated but I'm just wondering whether we've learnt from last year and actually giving Cooper more say on the incomings and thats why we're not going mad.
I hope thats the case rather than us skint and/or no one wants to come.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 22, 2023 7:17:36 GMT
Are people frustrated? I'm relieved we haven't signed anyone. My main concern is that we sign a load of players, get screwed by ffp, and then have to sell one of our best players in order to pay the wages of a load of ones who aren't even in the squad.
Looks like Elanga is on the way then. I think he's still young enough to not take up a squad place which is a bonus....
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Post by hblock on Jul 22, 2023 17:11:52 GMT
Are people frustrated? I'm relieved we haven't signed anyone. My main concern is that we sign a load of players, get screwed by ffp, and then have to sell one of our best players in order to pay the wages of a load of ones who aren't even in the squad. Looks like Elanga is on the way then. I think he's still young enough to not take up a squad place which is a bonus....
Given past experiences with over bloated squads I get your point, but there comes a time when the cautious approach drifts into becoming not having a squad good enough to compete come the start of the season. No doubt work is going on behind the scenes, but it feels like we're not far off that.
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Post by randomtask on Jul 26, 2023 10:58:54 GMT
Funny rumour doing the rounds is that we are about to sign Alexis Sanchez on a free
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Post by Dane B on Jul 26, 2023 15:37:01 GMT
Yeah I've seen both of those links. I know people are frustrated but I'm just wondering whether we've learnt from last year and actually giving Cooper more say on the incomings and thats why we're not going mad. I hope thats the case rather than us skint and/or no one wants to come. Let's hope not. Cooper was responsible for Shelvey and Wood.
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Post by iks on Jul 26, 2023 19:55:02 GMT
I bet Dawson and Yates are feel a bit outnumbered. 😳
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 29, 2023 7:07:02 GMT
Aina and Elanga have signed then and Surridge has left. Just thought someone should mention it...
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Post by hblock on Jul 29, 2023 9:22:12 GMT
Aina and Elanga have signed then and Surridge has left. Just thought someone should mention it... Yeah, fair enough. Underwhelmed by both signings though. Looking at his appearance stats it seems Aina wasn’t quite good enough to be a first XI player at mid table Torino, likewise Elanga wasn’t good enough for Man Utd otherwise they’d have kept him. Particularly in Elanga’s case I know people will say he had much more competition at Man Utd but personally I’d prefer us to sign players who are up and coming first choice players at their clubs. Got to be some promising first XI players playing in the top leagues in Belgium, Holland, Portugal etc who are ready to take the step up to Premier League?
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Post by mctavish on Jul 29, 2023 22:10:21 GMT
I'm getting concerned. A month left this window and we're still at least 3-4 quality players short of squad which can compete.
GK, LB, CF all needed. DM, CB and another R/LW desirable. Finding and attracting the right quality doesnt seem to be the issue. So its got to be some combination of available cash, FFP and cagey transfer policy.
It's telling we're still trying to loan Hendo despite Man U wanting to sell.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 30, 2023 7:25:25 GMT
Certainly a concern Henderson is dragging on for so long.
Other that that I'm more concerned we haven't really moved anyone out. We have nearly double the number of players we need so if we're looking at bringing in another 4 or 5 we need to be moving out close to 20. That won't be easy......
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Post by bryan on Jul 30, 2023 17:02:09 GMT
I have a feeling it all stems from whether we sign this Eindhoven midfielder Sangare. Given he could cost around £30m most of the transfer kitty will be spent towards this and then some use now pay later deal for a goalie. Agree we are still short of a goal scorer but FPL rules will mean few coming through the door.
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Post by mctavish on Jul 30, 2023 17:47:57 GMT
Here's the squad. 37 in the books. 25 worthy of a squad number inc. 2 x u21s (Mighten and Elanga):
Ethan Horvath Goalkeeper 28 Jun 30, 2024 €1.5m Wayne Hennessey Goalkeeper 36 Jun 30, 2024 €400k Moussa Niakhaté Centre-Back 27 Jun 30, 2025 €18.00m Joe Worrall Centre-Back 26 Jun 30, 2024 €12.00m Scott McKenna Centre-Back 26 Jun 30, 2024 €10.00m Willy Boly Centre-Back 32 Jun 30, 2024 €2.50m Felipe Centre-Back 34 Jun 30, 2024 €2.00m Omar Richards Left-Back 25 Jun 30, 2026 €5.00m Harry Toffolo Left-Back 27 Jun 30, 2024 €3.50m Neco Williams Right-Back 22 Jun 30, 2026 €20.00m Serge Aurier Right-Back 30 Jun 30, 2024 €8.00m Giul Biancone Right-Back 23 Jun 30, 2025 €6.00m Ola Aina Right-Back 26 Jun 30, 2024 €3.50m Danilo Defensive Mid 22 Jun 30, 2029 €28.00m Cheik Kouyaté Defensive Mid 33 Jun 30, 2024 €2.00m Orel Mangala Central Mid 25 Jun 30, 2026 €16.00m Ryan Yates Central Mid 25 Jun 30, 2025 €11.00m Lewis O'Brien Central Mid 24 Jun 30, 2026 €8.00m Morgan GW Attacking Mid 23 Jun 30, 2027 €40.00m Brennan Johnson Attacking Mid 22 Jun 30, 2026 €38.00m Gustavo Scarpa Attacking Mid 29 Jun 30, 2026 €10.00m Taiwo Awoniyi Centre-Forward 25 Jun 30, 2027 €25.00m Chris Wood Centre-Forward 31 - €8.00m Anthony Elanga Left Winger 21 Jun 30, 2028 €18.00m Alex Mighten Left Winger 21 Jun 30, 2025 €600k
12 to sell or loan:
Jonathan Panzo Centre-Back 22 Jun 30, 2025 €3.00m Loïc Mbe Soh Centre-Back 22 Jun 30, 2024 €2.00m Bran Aguilera Attacking Mid 20 Jun 30, 2026 €275k Josh Bowler Right Winger 24 Jun 30, 2024 €1.80m Steve Cook Centre-Back 32 Jun 30, 2024 €1.80m Richie Laryea Right-Back 28 Jun 30, 2025 €2.50m Mohamed Dräger Right-Back 27 Jun 30, 2024 €900k Remo Freuler Central Mid 31 Jun 30, 2025 €8.00m Jonjo Shelvey Central Mid 31 Jun 30, 2025 €5.00m Harry Arter Central Mid 33 Jun 30, 2024 €400k Emmanuel Dennis Centre-Forward 25 Jun 30, 2026 €8.00m Ui-jo Hwang Centre-Forward 30 Jun 30, 2025 €4.80m
Add Toffolo, Hennessey and Kouyate to that list if we can get replacements. Maybe O'Brien too. There's room in the squad.
One issue with moving out the likes of Dennis, Freuler and Shelvey is it crystalises a loss for FFP. A £20m player over a 5 year contract costs £4m a year but sell for peanuts in year 2 and you realise the full loss in that year. Still need to get rid of those 3.
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Post by bryan on Jul 30, 2023 18:29:27 GMT
Well ended up losing 1-0 to PSV and had 2 shots in total all match. Not sure how much practice we really got in the end.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 31, 2023 1:35:43 GMT
Wonder if Sangare was impressed... You can add Ojeda and Fornah to the 'sell or loan' list, assuming they're still here. There'll be another keeper, whoever it is, in the 25 man squad so there's only really one more place available before you have to lose another for every signing. Although if Freuler and Dennis are still here after the deadline I think they'll be included above 4 or 5 of those names. I'm resigned to Johnson being gone though, it feels like he's odds on to be sold now.. Where are those valuations from? I'd expect more for Johnson and Gibbs-White but 400k for Arter? Got to be one of the most optimistic valuations I've ever seen
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Post by ben on Aug 2, 2023 14:01:06 GMT
Ojeda gone. Bowler gone on loan for a season.
Left it a bit late haven't we. We're starting the season with Horvath in goal.
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Post by bryan on Aug 3, 2023 8:25:13 GMT
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Post by ben on Aug 3, 2023 9:00:00 GMT
Struggling to see what the story is here. "Players who remain at the club are due to be paid their bonuses at the end of August. It is thought that those who have left will received their fees at the same time."
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Post by mctavish on Aug 3, 2023 21:27:50 GMT
So lack of funds is the story behind this summer's transfer policy. Thats surprising. We'd have been far better off keeping some of that powder dry, now that decent players actually want to sign for us.
As with any business, if it gets to the point where you cant pay the staff you have serious financial management issues. Let's hope Marinakis puts his hand in his pocket again before the window shuts. I can see us going down with the current squad
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