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Post by iks on May 8, 2021 5:41:11 GMT
They are proving a strange lot. They lose something and decide it’s the voters who are at fault. They don’t seem to get how this voting / election thing works. Labour are very good at telling voters what they want, whereas the Tories are good at responding to the public mood. I do like the term "long Corbyn" as that seems to be a problem for the party. Hopefully, Keir continues to bring the party back to the centre to provide credible opposition. The ONLY way Labour will ever get back to anywhere near the support they once had will be to had will be to rid themselves of the woke, offended bollocks as shown by utter twats like Owen Jones. How that prick represents people in traditional old school Labour areas is beyond me!
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Post by mrsmith on May 8, 2021 6:09:55 GMT
Labour are very good at telling voters what they want, whereas the Tories are good at responding to the public mood. I do like the term "long Corbyn" as that seems to be a problem for the party. Hopefully, Keir continues to bring the party back to the centre to provide credible opposition. The ONLY way Labour will ever get back to anywhere near the support they once had will be to had will be to rid themselves of the woke, offended bollocks as shown by utter twats like Owen Jones. How that prick represents people in traditional old school Labour areas is beyond me! The thing is, while you have traditional Labour areas, you don't have many traditional Labour voters. The working class don't exist in the same way as they did in the 80s and the decline of industry and Brexit have changed politics. When Corbyn looked to bring back socialism, he was campaigning to history rather than modern Britain. I think Labour's path back to power is to focus on the urban youth and set out a vision of how we tackle the problems of the next generation, but that requires a culture shift within the party and some foresight.
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Post by hblock on May 8, 2021 16:53:55 GMT
It is a bit of a false result though as people were clearly voting on national issues whereas these were supposed to be local elections fought on local issues. I reckon those that could actually be arsed thought they’ve had their furlough money, they’ve had their Covid vaccines and under the circumstances are generally quite content with things so let’s put a X in the Tory box to show our appreciation. Whereas if they were actually treating it as a local election they should have been thinking along the lines of who do they want to deliver public services in their area. Makes not a blind bit of difference, as shown by Corbyns disastrous campaign last time out. Locally or nationally, they're fucked.
I think it does make a bit of a difference to be honest. Don't get me wrong, nationally I think the picture looks bleak for them. But I can't help but think if voters had treated these as local elections in the true sense instead of an extension of the last general election that the result would have been quite different. Take where i live, Tory run local council for decades, they always win by a landslide yet you can't find anybody that has a good word to say about the council. Why? They've cut every service going, approve every planning application for housing estates but don't think of where all these new people are going to work or go to school and the pot holes are so bad they're more like craters. If people were voting on local issues there is no way the Conservatives would get in here time after time.
It just feels like people voted to endorse the way the government have handled Brexit and the vaccine rollout as opposed to focusing on who they'd want running local services, which was supposed to be what these elections are about.
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Post by iks on May 8, 2021 18:57:33 GMT
The ONLY way Labour will ever get back to anywhere near the support they once had will be to had will be to rid themselves of the woke, offended bollocks as shown by utter twats like Owen Jones. How that prick represents people in traditional old school Labour areas is beyond me! The thing is, while you have traditional Labour areas, you don't have many traditional Labour voters. The working class don't exist in the same way as they did in the 80s and the decline of industry and Brexit have changed politics. When Corbyn looked to bring back socialism, he was campaigning to history rather than modern Britain. I think Labour's path back to power is to focus on the urban youth and set out a vision of how we tackle the problems of the next generation, but that requires a culture shift within the party and some foresight. Sorry but thats a waste of time. If labour hijacked a lot of ukip policies, then chased down tax swervers like philip green, redistributed a bit of the dough, upped the living wage, made doleites work for their handouts where possible, and vowed to renationalise the railways, they'd get somewhere. Ok, their hierarchy wouldnt have any of it and would call everyone a racist...
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Post by corncobguy on May 10, 2021 19:04:54 GMT
Is it really that bad? As far as I can tell, Labour improved from the 2019 GE and picked up a few mayor wins around the country. Net changes shown recently have been changes from 2016/17 where Labour were doing better
All parts of the UK have seen the incumbent getting some credit for vaccinations etc. It could be a lot different next year so don't think it's really a disaster for Starmer just yet.
Not that I will vote for Labour anytime soon, but it wouldn't be that difficult for them to become more credible 1. Embrace Brexit. How about a few ideas on how they would make the most of Brexit or how they would do things differently. At the moment there is no one in the shadow cabinet who even voted for leave and they're just pretending like it hasn't happened 2. Respect - while I don't think they 'owe' the working class anything (if they want to go after the young, urban vote then so be it) they still need to show far more respect to those with different world views. It feels like most labour politicians think anyone with a white van is scum. They need to kick out anyone like Emily Thornberry to change that perception. 3. Reduce the woke nonsense. People vote for adults not those who race bait on twitter and take part in student union gesture politics 4. Er, how about some policies Kier?
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Post by iks on May 11, 2021 17:57:56 GMT
If Labour stopped focusing on people being working class, or any fucking class, they'd break down a few barriers. Because all I ever see is them wittering on about the feckless and lazy.
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